Untermann, Ernest 1911-11-18

Description:	Letter to Eugene V. Debs, 11/18/1911. Writes that he is glad that Eugene V. Debs has agreed to help him in the matter concerning his daughter, Elsa Untermann, and George Shoaf. Says that those who knew what happened to Elsa Untermann made no attempt to protect her in any way. Remarks that Piet Vlag, the editor of THE MASSES, knew what was up in early September, but did not notify him because he was more interested in locating George Shoaf. Mentions that Piet Vlag sent Elsa Untermann to Holland. Informs Eugene V. Debs that Piet Vlag intercepted a letter from George Shoaf to Else Untermann written a month after he was supposedly killed. Says that Piet Vlag then offered the letter to Fred Warren for a price. Tells Eugene V. Debs that Fred Warren sent Ben Warren to secure the letters. Writes that he was contacted by Piet Vlag only after Fred Warren refused to pay him. Says that he wrote Fred Warren who refused to tell him anything about the matter whatsoever. Assures Eugene V. Debs that she has never met with such scoundrelly treachery in the socialist movement. Writes that Fred Warren and Piet Vlag are playing with his daughters life to get to George Shoaf. Remarks that he was right to warn Eugene V. Debs about George Shoaf. Says that Eugene V. Debs is too close to the APPEAL TO REASON not to become involved. Tells Eugene V. Debs that before he can help insure that his daughter gets justice he needs to define his position towards Fred Warren and Piet Vlag. Says that George Shoaf has been seducing underage girls for years. Writes that it is too late now for anyone to try to convince him that Fred Warren knew nothing of the matter until it was too late. Assures Eugene V. Debs that he is not going to keep quiet any longer even though Victor Berger, among others, is trying to prevent him from going to the rank and file of the Socialist Party for support. Remarks that since the Associated Press, the Merchants and Manufacturers Association, and the Pinkerton Agency are all trying to suppress this matter that it ought to be proof that George Shoaf knew something and did something which helped them more than it did the Socialist Party. Asks that Eugene V. Debs demand the truth from Fred Warren.
Origin:	1911-11-18
Source:	http://indstate.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/evdc/id/11709
Collection:	Eugene V. Debs Correspondence
Subjects:	Warren, Fred D., 1872 or 3-1959 Socialist Party of the United States of America Debs, Eugene V. (Eugene Victor), 1855-1926 Famous Hoosiers Labor

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